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Guests: Dave Schmelzer and John Loftus

Dave Schmelzer, a former atheist who now pastors a large church in the shadow of Harvard and MIT, and John Loftus, a former pastor who is now one of atheism’s top “apologists,” discuss the influence of their experience, their thinking, and the evidence as their spiritual paths took opposite directions. Dave speaks from his book, Not the Religious Type, and John from his, Why I Became an Atheist.